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GM's plan for trucks is bad news for Camaro


GM: Yielding to SUVs and pickups
03/26/2005
G. Chambers Williams III
San Antonio Express-News


Despite General Motors executives' pledges during the past two years that development of new cars, not trucks, would be getting heavier emphasis at the giant automaker, the word from Detroit now is that some of those cars have been delayed indefinitely so more trucks can come to market quicker.

The automaker announced this week it is shelving plans to develop its so-called Zeta premium midsize rear-drive vehicle architecture for a new line of cars for the North American market. Instead, money that had been allocated to that program will be diverted to help bring the next generation of GM's full-size sport utility vehicles and pickups to market.

Those programs won't be speeded up, as has been speculated in various automotive media recently, but because of GM's current financial crisis, including an expected drop of 80 percent in earnings for 2005, the company needs to put most of its new-vehicle development money into the truck side, which is responsible for most of the company's profits.

"Basically, we're taking some of the resources allocated to premium rear-drive cars and putting those resources toward the full-size SUVs," spokesman Pat Morrissey said.

The SUVs — including the popular Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban, GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade — will be first, coming to market in their newest forms next January as 2006 models, followed by the company's full-size pickups for model year 2007. All of these vehicles are developed on the same chassis platform, but when they were updated last, the pickups came to market first, in 1999, and the full-size SUVs a year later. This time, the SUVs are coming first.

As for the rear-drive cars, the strategy is one of delay, not cancellation, the company said.

"The key point is that in no way is GM abandoning its rear-wheel-drive strategy," Morrissey said.

"We have several new rear-drive cars on the market now, including the Cadillac CTS and STS, and we have two roadsters coming — the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice. We simply are restudying now what is the best approach to rear-wheel drive."

GM will continue development of the Zeta architecture for other world markets, including Australia, Morrissey said.

"We have stopped work on applications of this architecture for North America only," he said. "We have other options for North America, and we will be looking at those."

Zeta is not the only rear-drive platform the company has been developing. The CTS, STS and Cadillac SRX are built on the Sigma architecture, and the Sky and Solstice are on a platform known at GM as Kappa. Zeta is a platform for premium midsize cars, while Sigma has been developed for luxury cars. Adapting that chassis to other applications is an alternative.

"I can't say at this point when we might do something," Morrissey said.

Chassis platform development is quite costly, and automakers try to develop as many individual vehicles from each platform as possible to help justify the billions it can cost for a new platform. The next-generation rear-drive platform is of special interest to Lutz because it is supposed to be the basis for the second generation of the modern Pontiac GTO.

The current GTO, pushed through development by Lutz, uses a rear-drive chassis designed by GM's Opel division in Germany. It also is used on a line of vehicles made in Australia. The GTO, introduced for model year 2004, is built in Australia by GM's Holden division. It comes with a version of the V-8 engine used in the Chevy Corvette.

There also has been speculation that the Zeta platform would be used to revive the Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am, which were discontinued at the end of model year 2002. Morrissey declined to discuss any plans to bring back those two icons of the muscle car/pony car era, saying any suggestion that they might have been revived on the Zeta platform "was purely speculation."

It's hard to imagine, though, that GM isn't looking hard at bringing back the Camaro and Firebird, especially in light of the popularity of the retro-styled 2005 Ford Mustang, which is the biggest automotive hit of the year. GM officials are wincing at the Mustang's success and wishing they had a Camaro and Firebird doing the same thing, you can be sure.

Most of GM's cars are on front-drive platforms, but there has been an industry-wide shift back toward rear-drive cars during the past couple of years, and most automakers either already have some new rear-drive cars or are developing them.

When the Camaro and Firebird were discontinued, GM said the platform they were based on had become outmoded, unable to meet new federal safety standards.

Company officials said privately that GM had no new rear-drive platform to use for a new generation of those sporty cars, but that the company probably would consider bringing them back with the development of new rear-drive architecture in the not-too-distant future.

There is some speculation that cars such as those could re-appear on the same chassis as the current GTO, but I don't consider that likely. If GM has plans to abandon that platform in the near future, development of new vehicles on that architecture wouldn't seem to be likely.

Who knows, though? The great success of the new Mustang could prompt GM to create a new Camaro and/or Firebird on an existing platform at least as a stopgap measure. GM really needs a hit like the Mustang in its Chevy and Pontiac lineups. The GTO has been a real disappointment, mostly because of its bland styling.

A striking retro-style Camaro/Firebird on the same chassis might be a great success, even if it were to have only a short life of three or four years. By that time, GM probably would have its new rear-drive platform ready to go.

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That's not surprising. The fullsize SUVs and large pickups are where GM makes most of it's profits. It's sales in both are down, so it sees that it needs to work on a few things in that department. They make a lot more profit per Suburban than Impala, so it only makes sense for them to want to sell a lot of SUVs rather than rework and develop new cars, when they can only afford to do one or the other.

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I also heard that the Camaro might be moved to the Kappa platform a while back, so I guess thats looking more true now. I think that GM should stick mainly with car development and slowly move away from SUVs, since the market will (and already is) slow down for them while car buyers will always be in the market.

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"I also heard that the Camaro might be moved to the Kappa platform a while back, so I guess thats looking more true now. I think that GM should stick mainly with car development and slowly move away from SUVs, since the market will (and already is) slow down for them while car buyers will always be in the market."

The SUV market is still booming, and automakers like Toyota have made large sales gains there even in the past couple years. GM makes a lot of it's profit on SUVs, and since they seem to be incapable of producing a mainstream car that will make them much money, it only makes sense for them to focus back on SUVs, a segment they've been highly successful in. The only reason it's slipping for them now is that people finally figured out that their competitors, in many ways, make better vehicles.

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Im just thinking long term

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"Im just thinking long term"

Well, they need some short-term profit before they'll be able to worry about long term.

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I do think they need to limit SUV production some, I mean to they really need like 5+ sizes of them? (I'm having trouble counting)

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"I do think they need to limit SUV production some, I mean to they really need like 5+ sizes of them? (I'm having trouble counting)"


I suppose the classes would be:

1. Compact
2. Midsize carbased
3. Midsize Truckbased
4. Large
5. Large, extended

All useful for different people.

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" I suppose the classes would be: 1. Compact 2. Midsize carbased 3. Midsize Truckbased 4. Large 5. Large, extended All useful for different people. "

Now that I think of it there aren't as many, but they're all still pretty similar.  I just think it's rather odd, but oh well.

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"Now that I think of it there aren't as many, but they're all still pretty similar.  I just think it's rather odd, but oh well."


Only Ford has all five though.

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"

Only Ford has all five though.
"

GM doesn't have an excessive number, if you consider that there's one basic model per kind, and then rebadges.
Compare them to other brands:
I'll use Chevy for the GM representative: Equinox (compact), Blazer (midsize something), Trailblazer (midsize), Trailblazer EXT (midsize extended), Tahoe (full) and Suburban (really full)
Ford: Escape (compact), Freestyle (midsize car), Explorer (midsize truck), Expedition (full) and Excursion (really full)
Toyota: Rav4 (compact), Highlander (midsize car), 4Runner (midsize truck), Sequoia (full), Land Cruiser (premium full)

They really don't have any more SUVs than their biggest competitors.

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I don't know, it just seems odd maybe because they're all so alike, unlike Toyota or even Ford has bigger differences (I think).  And with all the clones it's even more, for lack of a better word, stupid.

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"I don't know, it just seems odd maybe because they're all so alike, unlike Toyota or even Ford has bigger differences (I think).  And with all the clones it's even more, for lack of a better word, stupid."

With the exception of the Trailblazer and the EXT (which are the same vehicle, one's just longer) and the Tahoe and Suburban (same situation, practically) they're not really similar. It's just the Suburban and Tahoe, really. The clones may be stupid, but each is at least slightly different, or in the case of the Trailblazer/Envoy or Rendezous, very different (at least interior and styling wise), and they sell as individuals decently. Probabyl better than if they were just one model.

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